Connecting the Pack

Abdullah Najjar 0:01
All right, welcome to WKNC. This is Abdullah Najjar. And in today's episode of connecting to pack, I am joined by Beccy Shadan. Beccy is student from Austria, and she is currently studying at North Carolina State University doing an exchange semester here at NC State. Becky is a fellow colleague of mine, actually, she hosts her own podcast and she's very much involved with technician, this student led Newspeak newspaper here at NC State. It's definitely pleasure to have Becky, in the studio here with me today. Becky, welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So there's there's definitely a lot to talk about today. I'd love to. There's much I would love to explore with you. First off, let's let's try to go over the the basics here. So you're seeing from Austria, you're doing exchange semester here in the United States. Let's try to understand here. The purpose behind this this exchange opportunity, why do us? And why? Why go abroad in the first place? Yeah,

Rebecca Schaden 1:25
well, I've always loved to travel. So that was part of the reason. But also like Indiana, the the degree I'm taking requires me to go abroad and study abroad. And I could list three choices, two of which were in the United States, and one was in Australia. And he said it was actually my first choice. So I was really lucky to get in. Because most students, they don't always get their first choice. It's like a friend of mine, for example. She was studying in Europe. She wanted to study in Europe. And she wanted to study at in Denmark can't really remember which which university she wants to Copenhagen. Yeah, it was Copenhagen, Copenhagen Business School, and you didn't get in. So it's, it's really cool that I did. And, yeah, I chose the United States, because I've been to the United Kingdom when I was 15. So I studied there, obviously, it wasn't a high school exchange. So I kind of wanted to see like the, the Big Brother, if I can say it like that. And I've heard a lot of really cool stuff about the United States and like the, the spirit, kind of like freedom and the American dream and being able to achieve stuff that you might not be able to achieve in Europe. Because they, they just have like a different mentality. You know what I mean? So Americans, they really believe that they can make everything happen. I was actually talking to one of my professors about that. And he said that, from a very young age, Americans teach their children, that they can make everything happen, they can be the next president, they can be actress, they can be like they can found their own company, they can basically make everything happen. And that's just the kind of mentality that we Europeans, I feel like at least lack sometimes. So coming here, and being surrounded by people that actually empower you and believe in you, is it is incredibly rewarding. And that that was one of the reasons why I came here.

Abdullah Najjar 3:27
Wow. And what sort of, say, expectations you had before you showed up? And do you think these expectations truly matched the reality of what you're currently experiencing?

Rebecca Schaden 3:42
Well, like one expectation I had was that the food's gonna be horrible. Because kind of in Europe, we have that, like, we believe that the Americans are not really good when it comes to like cooking and stuff. And like, you know, really good healthy food options.

Abdullah Najjar 4:03
It's just the fried, isn't it? Yes, that's

Rebecca Schaden 4:07
kind of what we believe. Yeah. And I was really surprised like the first we had an orientation week when we all came here. And what they offered was like fruits and granola bars and like, really healthy options. So I was really taken by surprise that they actually have that.

Abdullah Najjar 4:27
Right, right. These things didn't exist in America was like,

Rebecca Schaden 4:32
No, you don't have bananas. You don't have strawberries.

Abdullah Najjar 4:36
Right? No, I actually, I was surprised by that as well. I think when I when it first had when I first experienced an exchange opportunity in the US. I had had a sort of dining Dining Dollars or meal plan. I think that's the right word. And I just noticed when I would enter into these dining halls, a lot of the students are just You know, you're eating fries, burgers, tater tots, all these things that are just not healthy. And I was taken taken aback by the fact that they can do this throughout, you know, almost every day. It's just like, my body just can't take it. So I was really surprised to see that there there used to it in a sense. So that

Rebecca Schaden 5:25
was quite crazy. And that is maybe like a really kind of controversial comment, but I was really expecting Americans to be like, bigger, okay. Like, you know, as you said, the the eat fast food a lot. And then what I saw is that a lot of Americans are actually really sporty and athletic. And they have like, you know, it doesn't really look like what they eat is unhealthy, you know, all the time, they don't look unhealthy, essentially, you know,

Abdullah Najjar 5:52
right. Yeah, there, there does seem to be a large segment of society that is into fitness and into working out. I think it's gaining steam, especially in recent years with influencers and with the advent of social media, people, I think are more exposed, and more, I think they understand more about what it's like to have a balanced diet, healthy diet diet of some sort. So I think that's, that's partly why, but But let's, um, so So what sort of caught your attention, say about college life here in the US. And, obviously, you're heavily involved on campus with your podcast, which we'll explore together at a later point, as well as you know, your involvement with a student led newspaper here. But essentially, what was one of the things that you truly enjoyed about the college experience and call your attention? Well,

Rebecca Schaden 6:51
it was everything here. Actually, like when I coming from Austria, we don't have any kind of student organizations or like student clubs, the only thing we might have is like something kind of politically organized student organizations of a kind, which is not really something I'm necessarily very interested in. But we don't have a newspaper, we don't have a radio station. We don't have a belly dancing club, or we don't have any of that cool stuff that you guys have here. Right. And growing up, I've always loved to write, I think I wrote my first story was granted, it wasn't a very, like, you know, news kind of story was about a mermaid but still, like it was her story when I was six years old. And I've always loved writing, and I didn't have the opportunity to do that in Austria. So when I saw that they had like a newspaper, I was like, Yes, I just I want to get involved. I want to be a part of that. Yeah. Same goes for WKNC. I, like like, I have my podcast before. And then I learned that they had a radio station called WKNC. I just showed up at the meeting, I got to meet all these people. And then I realized they were actually looking for a podcast content creator. I was like, Oh my God, that's such a such an amazing fit. And then I learned that they actually pay you for doing right,

Abdullah Najjar 8:23
right. And I

Rebecca Schaden 8:25
was like, oh my god, I mean, this is this is amazing. You hit the jackpot. The jackpot, like in Austria, it's even hard getting like, like, like a job, but you don't get paid. You know, like something you just won't hear for. That's hard to get in the journalism sector. Yeah. And here, not only that, you get that job, you get paid for doing that. It was just it was mind blowing. So that was like part of the reason why I really wanted to get involved just because you have so many opportunities that you that I could take advantage of. And I love I love doing it. I love being a part of WKNC I love writing for technician. I'm writing for like news culture and opinion. Every single section has like its perks. And I feel like I I just love contributing to to NC State and to technician in a sense that I can actually help people like I can write stories that are community based. For example, I, I covered pag essentials, which I feel like it's a really important issue for people who cannot afford to eat for people who cannot afford to live. And that is what what I essentially love about journalism and reporting is that you can actually be a voice for people who are not able to speak up for themselves to advocate for themselves.

Abdullah Najjar 9:54
Wow. I love the way you put it to amplify voices of voiceless and to give them platform. So so. So this is one of, say one of the articles that you've written about those that are financially disadvantaged, if that's the right word to use, and who are in dire need of assistance. And what you did was you wrote about this initiative, this pack essentials, that's that's trying to provide, or to it's a Donations fund, right? They're trying to get donations to distribute to students, if I'm not mistaken, those that are financially disadvantaged, it's a

Rebecca Schaden 10:38
part of it. Yeah, there are different resources that NC State offers to these people. And the fun, the emergency fund is one of them. But they're also like, for example, there's an initiative and that's not, that's actually the whole community and rally, and they are trying to provide housing for people that cannot afford, because the rents going up, it's getting really hard to find something like someplace to live, that you can afford. So these people are trying to provide students with housing opportunities where they can live for free, or for like a very small amount of money per month. So interesting, those are all part of the resources that NC State provides for students. And that's something else I found amazing is like the, how the community in rally and the community at NC State is really trying to help people out and really trying to come together and make help students have the best experience that they can possibly have. If you know what I mean, even students that are struggling, and to say does not want students to struggle with financial issues, they want them to focus on school and university work, and to be able to ensure that they help them in as many ways as they can. And I think that is something that was a really took me by surprise, especially because in Europe, people think that the United States are a very individualistic country, and I'm sure a lot of ways they are, but still they really stick together. And he really tried to help. And that's something I find really beautiful here. NC State.

Abdullah Najjar 12:23
Yeah, no, certainly I see that community spirit manifesting itself here at NC State. And, you know, there are many, I think there are many organizations here to truly want to help out. And sometimes you you're you're walking into Student Union, and you see like, like a, like a stand, or a table with people advocating for a particular cause humanitarian cause, for example, and, you know, they're trying to do their best to get as much, you know, get as many donations as possible. So I truly see that and I agree. Less, let's, let's talk about the creative process here for a second, how do you how does, how do you approach? A topic such as this, this particular one, you know, the pack essentials? How do you come across these topics? And how do you know that this would be say, worth covering over another topic that that you come across? Maybe we can start by how how you come across these these different subjects that you want to cover?

Rebecca Schaden 13:41
It really depends on the section for opinion, we pitch stories. So we just have ideas. And then we tell our editors, Justin sky, and we're like, I would like to cover that. Is that opinion worthy? If I can put it like that? And most of the time, they're really open and they're like, yes, of course go for it. You can do that. Yeah. And for news and culture, it's a little different. I mean, for like, when it comes to culture, you can pitch stories, but sometimes they will be like, Okay, that's not maybe, maybe pitch that to like news or opinion because it's not really a cultural piece. Okay. Okay. And then news. News is different, because news, most of the stories they give to us, so we're not really the ones pitching stories, but rather were the ones taking them thinking stories that they thought about, like the editors. So it's, it's a little different with regard to what section you're working for.

Abdullah Najjar 14:41
Interesting. So you have a certain level of creative liberty, but that is constrained by what particular aspect of, say, dissection, or what section, you're you're covering, if it's news, they give you the topic, you're Find a topic, but if say it's culture, you can pitch it. Yeah. Interesting. And is that an approach that you have found? Quite say, is definitely an approach that you think is the most appropriate for you? Or what what do you think might be if if there is any change that you would perhaps incorporate?

Rebecca Schaden 15:28
I think it makes sense that when it comes to news, they kind of have stories prepared that you can take, just because the, the editors probably know what's going on at NC State most, because they're just most involved in kind of the life at NC State and students at NC State. I would say, though, for like some, maybe clubs or organizations, it would make sense to to listen to students opinions a little bit more, maybe when they pitch something, because they might be in a club or in an organization that they don't really have any experience with. Yeah. But I'm not saying that they don't listen, when you pitch stories. For example, I pitched one story about the new student ombuds. Okay. And they didn't really know what the student ombuds was. So they were like, Yeah, that's an amazing story. Let's do that. I couldn't do it. Because I had already interviewed the student ombuds for my pack essentials article. So I wasn't the one taking the story, but somebody else did. So they are kind of always looking for people to pitch stories, but sometimes they will just be like that. It's not making a lot of sense to cover that for technician, just because there's a different newspaper and rally. And most of the stuff going on in rally is covered by that newspaper. Right? So we really tried to focus on NC State. So I would say it's, I think the approach is quite fitting when it comes to news. And opinion is more like it's more, you can be more creative when it comes to opinion. Because it's essentially your opinion, you don't have to, like look for that many. It's always good to have sources, but it's more like really, if you feel strongly about something you are, you can put your opinion out there, if you know what I'm saying. Interesting.

Abdullah Najjar 17:26
And do you have, say, a preference when it comes to whether or not you enjoy Becky on tour more? Or enjoy? Show your work with technician? You don't want to answer that, that's fine. You don't want to upset your manager.

Rebecca Schaden 17:51
Honestly, I love both, I cannot give a preference, even if I wanted to. Or if I try to like I don't have a preference because it's very different. With for Becky on tour, I can basically choose my own guests, I can choose who I'm going to interview. And I can totally freely choose my own topics, which is also something I can do for opinion, for example. But for news, I cannot most of the time, I'm not choosing my own topics. But I like both because you know, you get this input from technician from like stories, I would never have thought about like, for example, LinkedIn. That's an article that was published this week, right? I LinkedIn is a very interesting topic. And a lot of college students don't know how to use LinkedIn. So it was really interesting to kind of get to the bottom of what is really important when it comes to using LinkedIn. And I would have I would not have thought of that as a topic to pitch or to talk about on baggy on tour. But for example, it would not make a lot of sense to, for example, interview an actress for technician. I mean, I would need to frame it as to why I'm interviewing that certain actress and why kind of relates back to NC stain. Whereas for backing on tour, I don't really have to do that. I can just be like, I would like to know her story and dig deeper. I think that's probably like the biggest difference between the two is that for backing on tour, I can actually go deeper. Whereas technician it's just one article so I cannot I can never put every single thing they said into one article.

Abdullah Najjar 19:35
Okay. Okay, that makes sense. So, at first blush, I think when one of our listeners you're one of our listeners, here's Becky on tour, they probably think she's on tour, she's traveling, right? Maybe that's the content, and I'm doing that a lot. Even doing that a lot. Okay, okay, well, well essentially then what what what is Becky On Tour, you mentioned you alluded to interviews. But at the same time, I think there, there's a little bit of traveling involved. So share with us in the audience. What Becky on tour is all about.

Rebecca Schaden 20:11
Yeah, well, Becky on tour is very, very diverse, I would say. And I didn't think it would be like that when it first started off. Yeah, I never thought I would do interviews, for example. Like, that was never something I had anticipated starting that podcast, it was just about me, like coming here, my observations, maybe the people I meet and like, traveling, stuff like that. Yeah. College gossip, I think is something that I put in my description, when I first started out, like started set up this podcast. But I realized that I think it's really interesting to not just hear my point of view, but also somebody else's. And doing interviews, you can just talk to people about their stories, their experiences, and that, that is so important, I think, because when for people who might not be able to share their opinion, or might not have a platform to do that, I just want to help them speak up about whatever it is, they they feel strongly about. Yeah. And in listening to my guest, doing the exact same thing and telling them about their experiences and what they have achieved. I think it's, it's encouraging people to think, well, that person made it happen. So can I. And that was something I, I really love about my my podcast, or like the guests I'm interviewing is they really, they really conveyed that things can be done to my audience. And then with the traveling, I think it's just you know, so it's, it's interesting to know, what you can do, like when you travel to Miami, for example, I always try to kind of include like, the different locations, the places I'm going, like restaurants and stuff like that. So when somebody wants to go to Miami, or like New York, or Washington DC, or like the Outer Banks or whatever, then they know, oh, yeah, can go back to that podcast episode and just listen to what that person did. And, you know, kind of like a blog or like a travel blogger. So yeah, really has these two sides to it and incorporate it in my podcast.

Abdullah Najjar 22:28
I love that. I love that. What would you say? What would you characterize as being one of the memorable experiences of your travels in the US so far? What what was memorable site or place outside or even within North Carolina? Um,

Rebecca Schaden 22:48
I would say, in North Carolina, or

Abdullah Najjar 22:52
maybe here or maybe even outside of North Carolina, because you've been in different states so far, right? Oh, even all over?

Rebecca Schaden 22:58
Kind of Yeah. Well, I would definitely say that that I haven't talked about that yet. In my podcast episodes, probably going to be next week, was like Florida, Miami, and then Orlando Universal Studios.

Abdullah Najjar 23:13
I love that. You're giving us a sneak peek here.

Rebecca Schaden 23:16
Yeah, kind of. So yeah. Next week, you're probably going to hear about like Universal Studios, Miami, all that jazz. And that was like, that was a lot of fun going there. Miami is a beautiful city. They have a lot of culture, they have a lot of art. Orlando is of course amazing and very well known for Universal Studios, which, of course, is an experience. Also out of banks, I love that. What I found interesting is the place where we lived, it was kind of like a, like a small city in the city in the sense that there were like houses like, you know, everywhere, like in a circle and people leaving, they're having their holiday homes in the sense like they would spend their their like holidays, vacations, their vacation homes. And they had like these huge American flags every single house. So that was just like, this is like patriotism at a different level

Abdullah Najjar 24:17
of American patriotism.

Unknown Speaker 24:19
Yeah.

Abdullah Najjar 24:19
Wow. Well, we've so far we've covered a lot of things that you found interesting, all the things that you truly enjoyed, and you found fascinating. But there must have been, I'm sure throughout your journey so far, there must have been certain things that you found perhaps challenging, or maybe things that you're not fond of, maybe an aspect related to, I don't know, like, customs, culture. We don't want to be throwing some shade here. But I mean, maybe there's something that you You found quite difficult to adjust to or tricky to wrap your mind around, what would you say is something that falls into this this category?

Rebecca Schaden 25:13
I would say it's not really something that has to do with culture, per se, or like any customs. But what I find challenging and, and hurtful even in the sense is that I've applied to a lot of different companies for internship opportunities in the media, industry, broadcasting, praying, writing, news industry, stuff like that. And I have not heard back from most of them. And I do understand in the United States, you need a visa, and it's hard for international students to get that visa and to get a work permit to stay in the United States, I do have something that's cold, I could can do something that's called academic training, which is included in my visa type, which is j one visa. And most companies don't even give me the chance to explain my visa status to them. I do understand that they don't want to, like, do research on it, because they probably don't have the time. But I would kind of expect them to at least give me the time, or give me the opportunity to explain my visa type to them. Yeah. Because I feel like I do have most of the qualifications and skills they are looking for in a candidate. And the only reason why they're not taking me on is me being an international student. And that's, that's something that that's really been challenging, because I've applied at least like 2025 times, oh, my goodness. And most of the time, I haven't heard back and, you know, it kind of gives you the feeling that you're not good enough. And that is not something I ever want anybody else to feel like, and that was definitely something I found very challenging. Not being here in the United States. You

Abdullah Najjar 27:08
know, I think that this could possibly be your the next topic of the article that you're gonna write for technician.

Rebecca Schaden 27:15
I already did that. You did that? Yeah, I did that. I did. Actually two of them. I did one that was targeted at, like NC State students in the sense of that I was talking about, like, the career fair, and how employers do not want to take on international students. So that was all incorporated in one article. And then also like the different visa types, I was kind of trying to explain them. Yeah, I also had it on Becky on tour, I had like, one episode, and I did write a Sedar know, a satirical article article, sorry. The other day, it was published this week about how to win an Americans hard. And the American citizenship in a sense, like, if you want to, like, if you want to have something to laugh at, you can read it.

Abdullah Najjar 28:03
I really hope someone who's quite you know, who's higher up who, who has who can influence these, these these, I guess, arbitrary? I'm sure I can characterize them as arbitrary rules. Maybe I hope that someone can read this or listen to it, hear your concerns, and maybe there could be a change in the future, you know, so that international students like myself, wouldn't have to go through this whole ordeal inconvenient or the Oh,

Rebecca Schaden 28:36
do you also need a visa? Or is that different for you? Yeah. As

Abdullah Najjar 28:39
an international student, I'm, I'm on an f1 visa. So obviously, there are so many restrictions to an f1. And a lot of things to, to, you know, consider a lot of paperwork. Even when it comes to work, for example, I'm not allowed to, for at least one academic year, I'm not allowed to work off campus. And I'm not allowed to exceed 20 hours of work here on campus. So same Yeah, it's it's, this is triggering major discontent. It does. Yeah, it does. Yeah. So I truly understand what what that must be like. And

Rebecca Schaden 29:20
I also don't really understand where they're coming from, because you would read like in when you go through all these job applications, and the announcements and the candidate profile they were looking for, they will put somebody who has into cultural competence, right? I mean, do not get me wrong, but someone who's been studying at Prague, Prague is a perfect example because like, what I've heard is that it's mostly NC State students. And these NC State students go into private do not interact with Tech students in the slightest. So I mean, not not kind of trying to, like you know, make out that that program is something bad. It's, I'm sure it's a great program. But like when it comes to actually interacting with Czech students, it's just not really something that's incorporated in that program. So if even if you put that on your resume, it does not really show that you have any kind of indo intercultural experience or intercultural competence, right? And then yet they're looking for that, but they're not taking an international student who has literally been raised and grown up in a different country speaks a different language, sometimes even more. So like I speak German, English, and I do you speak a little French, which is not even a lot, like a lot of my friends. They speak German, English, French, Spanish, Italian, or Arabic. So I mean, they're, like, so many different languages that you can speak. So I don't understand why wouldn't you take that person has the skill set, and has demonstrated the knowledge in that in that industry? And in addition to that, has that intercultural competence they're looking for? Why wouldn't you take that person just because they are an international students? It makes? No, it makes no sense to me. Yeah. So that's something that's, that's really, you know, kind of bugging me and annoy me about that, you know,

Abdullah Najjar 31:12
ya know, I really think that this is one aspect of our life journeys, us as international students, that should be highlighted more, you know, I think we definitely go through so many struggles, obviously, we're really for our families, we're taking on his journey of, you know, trying to pursue a better life trying to pursue something of value. But at the same time, our challenges are things that we're going through, and I'm not trying to minimize the challenges of say, you know, our, our American peers, but obviously, there's we're taking in major risks. And you know, we're trying to explore something truly different, we come from a different background, we have, I think, some advantage, but at the same time, we can't showcase or allow for our talents to manifest because of these different restrictions that are imposed on us. So I totally, totally understand your concern. And I think I would be one of one of one of the proponents would advocate for a change in how the system is set up. So it's definitely a new thing.

Rebecca Schaden 32:25
It's definitely needed. Yes. So changes is definitely needed in that in that regard. And I hope that somebody in a position of power might actually be like an international students, you never know. And, and change these kinds of things. And I do understand it's probably really hard for the government to change that. And the immigration laws, it's very strict and very restrictive. So I have understanding for that. But yeah, I just, I would, I would hope, and I would wish that they listen to concerns of international students more and also listed, like looked at at what they can bring to the table more right now. Right,

Abdullah Najjar 33:06
we definitely do have a lot to bring to the table. We you yourself, have asked that. I mean, you spent, I don't know like three, three months now in the US you've been heavily involved with, you know, the on campus organizations with with a radio station with with technician, that's quite admirable. And I loved it. Yeah, there you go. I mean, that's I'm truly glad that you get to experience that. I just hope that this this change when it comes to these laws would occur in foreseeable future so that you can exercise your talents even outside of the Saturday sphere of NC State. Yeah. So I think your your exchanges journey is, is just this is one semester. Alright. One semester in the US, unfortunately. Yes. Well, yeah. It seems like Yeah, I think it is very, I think it is definitely sad. But what would you say is, is an interesting or primary lesson that you learned from your stay here in us since it's coming to a close? Soon?

Rebecca Schaden 34:18
toot your horn, choose your horn. That's something one of my professors said in. In my first interview that I did for Becky on tour. He said that don't be afraid to brag, not like in a nod, like in a, in a in a sense that you insult or offend other people. But you should not be afraid to talk about your achievements and show that you're proud of what you've done so far, especially in the United States. That is very important that you remind people of what you can bring to the table. Yeah, that is very different from Europe actually visiting Europe. especially in Austria, people really don't like when you talk about yourself and your achievements. Oh, and that's very different in the United States because and people will not take offense if you do that. Like if you say, I have this in that skill, and I have this in that experience, and I worked there and there, and that's why I would be the perfect candidate for that job. Somebody in United States would be like, they would be expecting that they would be expecting you to tell them that. Yeah. Whereas in Austria, people will be like, Oh, she's just like a student, why she or she emphasizing that? I mean, like, Who is she bragging?

Abdullah Najjar 35:39
Okay, I see. I see how, okay, I see a difference here. That's interesting. Wow. Um, well, how do you? How do you intend on spending the rest of your days here in the US? When are you traveling? When are you? Well, you don't have to tell me because it might even make it more sad or?

Rebecca Schaden 36:01
Well, I'm already sad. So it's okay.

Abdullah Najjar 36:05
Don't worry about Yeah, what's what's the plan? Like for you?

Rebecca Schaden 36:09
It's up. To be honest, I don't really have that much of a plan. I just know that I have to leave the United States on January 16. Because that's when, like, my, my visa is running out on December 16. So I can stay one more month, like 30 days. So it's actually January 15. Because it's 30 days, you know, that's what like, that's part of the reason that you can stay up 30 days before or after your stay in the United States. What do you do in exchange semester? Okay. So and my I need to move out of NC State Housing on December 14th. So I will need to either find something else in Raleigh or I need to travel somewhere else. Oh, I was thinking Atlanta might be interesting. Maybe interesting choice. Yes. They have like a really lively and kind of big musical industry and arts industry film industry. So that's really interesting. Yeah. And you can really, maybe I have no I'm not sure if I'm necessarily going to find a job there. But you can still like, you know, go to musical productions, theater productions. Just have fun there like travel. Also, like Boston would be interesting. So I'm not really sure, but I definitely want to do some traveling after I finished my exams. So yeah,

Abdullah Najjar 37:32
I hope that would be an enriching and fulfilling journey.

Unknown Speaker 37:36
I hope so. Yeah. Well,

Abdullah Najjar 37:39
Becky, it was a pleasure having you here. I truly enjoyed our conversation. And it's truly sad that you know, you'll get to experience more of the US but I'm hoping there would come another opportunity where you get to come back and maybe even settled down here in the US.

Rebecca Schaden 37:56
I hope so too.

Abdullah Najjar 37:57
Thank you so much.

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